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Monday, April 25, 2016

Word Fact: What Is the Difference Between “Discreet” and “Discrete”? | Dictionary.com Blog







This is another pair of homophones (words that sound alike but are different in meaning, spelling, or both) that can be very confusing. Discreet implies the showing of reserve and prudence in one’s behavior or speech. Discrete means something quite different: “distinct, separate, unrelated.”
Both words derive from the same Latin word discretus meaning “separated.” Until the 1700s, these words were each spelled many different ways including discrete, discreet, dyscrete, discreete, etc. Eventually discrete and discreet came to be differentiated in spelling as well as in meaning. Discreet has yielded the noun discretion, but discrete‘s noun form is discreteness. For most of English history, discreet was more frequently used, but today discrete is much more frequently used than discreet; it has seen a dramatic rise since the 1940s according to Google nGram.

Here are a few useful examples that exemplify their differences:

“They balked when the company hiked its price a few bucks a month, and they absolutely howled when Netflix tried to separate DVD rentals and online streaming into two discrete services.” –Matt Peckham, “Netflix Was Right, and We’re Being Fickle,” Time, October 25, 2011
“The beans, too, are not the usual congealing muddle, but discrete drops of heirloom yellow-eyes, scented with coriander.” –Ligaya Mishan, “Salsa, Flirting With Bok Choy,” New York Times, April 3, 2014
“Munro is a great writer; a wise writer; a free and brave, exacting, transformative, generous, and profoundly discreet writer.” –Gish Jen, “Alice Munro, Cinderella Story,” The Daily Beast, October 12, 2013
“It makes sense because texting is more discreet and can’t be overheard…” –Lily Hay Newman,” Crisis Hotlines Now Offer Texting With Counselors,” Slate, February 10, 2014


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427 Comments

  1. Camilliontwo1- April 25, 2016 - 6:44 am

    WOW – this is quite the blog!
    I have always tried to articulate my grammar with the correct morphology and syntax. I have discovered that unless I am speaking to someone with similar desires and education, the response is a blank stare because they do not want to acknowledge that they have no idea what I just said.
    The reality is that most people, even educated, really do not speak in this manner. I once had a supervisor (with an MBA) tell me after a lengthy discussion on employee training, that I need to “dumb it down” when speaking to employees. I believe that was his way of saying that he had no idea what I just said and was talking about – it’s not like I was using $10 words, just using phraseology or diction correctly that any 5th grader should understand.
    I believe that we as a society (USA) have lost the ability to speak in a manner that is simple. Today’s dialect leads to confusion and lack of context. Just listen to any politician!
    - Interestingly enough, the “Deadwood” series was set in a mining town that was not part of any U.S. state or territory in the post-Civil War years.
    Yet they spoke with such a deliberate diction that was grammatically correct and functional. There was little confusion (if any) and was very expressive and eloquent in sound.
    Example: I was truly impressed with how the word ‘reconnoiter’ was used and was understood by all. Great writing but I can’t imagine that they really spoke that way back then – If they did, then we truly have lost the art of speaking and communication in today’s world!
    Just my ‘two cents’.
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    • Camilliontwo1- April 25, 2016 - 6:59 am

      I might add that yes, there was a lot of profanity used in the Deadwood series but even then it was used grammatically correct – after a quick research, I discovered that the language was actually ‘created’ by the series creator, David Milch.
      Had a bit of a ‘Shakespearian’ flare to it.
      Special note: I’m quite glad that we don’t speak in the old English tongue of the Shakespeare era!
      OK, I’m done!
      Reply
  2. Widie tpq- April 4, 2016 - 8:20 pm

    Upset
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    • Joe P.- April 10, 2016 - 12:01 pm

      No movement of puzzle pieces. Perhaps
      the water at the bottom right of the screen is playing tricks with your brain? The only difference I notice is a change of boldness in some of the puzzle lines,
      Reply
  3. Optical- March 10, 2016 - 1:32 pm

    The puzzle pieces in the picture seem to slowly be moving to the right.
    Reply
    • Rich- March 15, 2016 - 2:46 pm

      Can I have what you’re having?!
      Reply
    • jerry o- March 26, 2016 - 5:44 am

      This whole thread is an illustration of why we are the #1 consumers of DRUGS in the WORLD. My cat has no skills in grammar, spalling, very little vocabulary (meey youw (did I spall it rite?) hisss, screech, and ever popular and most important ppuuurrr. With that, a few gestures, and of course eye contact we communicate perfectly in a binary format, it’s either this or that which leads to either this or that….fractally can express the construction of a mailbox, bird house….we’ve done it several times..jus kiddn, jus sayn,,omg the drama, the d r a m a, the horror
      Reply
      • Oran- April 8, 2016 - 5:44 pm

        hahahahaha you funny
        Reply
    • Génesis- March 28, 2016 - 11:24 am

      Once you pay attention to the image, they actually do!
      Reply
    • Oran- April 8, 2016 - 5:45 pm

      Yeah.. you guys hi
      Reply
  4. zeezee- February 10, 2016 - 5:14 pm

    .
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    Cracker Jacks !!!

    @3
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  5. Mohammad Umair- January 27, 2016 - 9:56 pm

    The best way to remember the difference in meaning and usage is to keep in mind the position of alphabet “E” in the spelling.

    Discrete means unrelated or separate. The two Es are separated by “T”

    Discreet means to reserve (or in an way hold together one’s composure) so the two Es are together in the spelling.
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    • Dean Nichols- January 29, 2016 - 3:24 pm

      Excellent mnemonic device.
      Reply
      • JB Kleven- February 18, 2016 - 10:28 pm

        He used his art of discretion to determine in to tig weld the piece or mig weld it, yet he was discreetly proud of the Union.
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        • buffy dewitt- March 3, 2016 - 10:53 am

          “Discreet has yielded the noun discretion, but discrete‘s noun form is discreteness.” I think you meant, “He used his art of DISCRETENESS to determine in to tig weld the piece or mig weld it, yet he was discreetly proud of the Union.” No?
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        • Rondar- March 13, 2016 - 4:14 am

          I hadn’t heard of tig welding. It’s good to know.
          Reply
    • stop the debate- February 5, 2016 - 9:07 am

      whats this whole big debate about, i mean its just two words cumon guys serciouly you don’t have to get so worked up about two words common words
      Reply
      • ChrisD- March 2, 2016 - 5:13 am

        Excellent comment coming from someone who can’t spell or use punctuation or grammar correctly.
        Reply
        • Lynn M- March 5, 2016 - 7:21 am

          LOL
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        • Sarah Fire- March 13, 2016 - 1:44 pm

          I am reticent to jump on the bandwagon when it comes to insulting other people in any online forum where we use our relative anonymity as an excuse for being coarse or rude… Having said that, I am totally perplexed when I stumble across comments that are pretty much indecipherable if one were to apply the rules of orthography and grammar in accordance to the fundamental guidelines of the English language as I understand them. “Cumon guys serciouly” (sic) is a quote that I will never forget. It sounds like the name of a recipe. I’m also tickled by the title “stop the debate” as if the relatively mundane discussion about homophones was becoming so heated as to require an intervention. Serciouly. Finally, what confuses me the most is the fact that such a poorly written comment would appear on a website dedicated to language, populated by a self-selecting population of logophiles in a discussion about two obscure homophones…
          Oh, what a world.
          PS- I don’t claim to be any smarter or more educated than any other person commenting in this forum. Furthermore, I am sure there are a number of grammatical errors in my own comment and I encourage people to tear it apart if they have are so inclined. I would enjoy the constructive criticism. For instance, was I supposed to capitalize “English” in that circumstance? Thanks!
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          • Jim- March 20, 2016 - 12:16 am

            Apparently this comment section is for those highly intellectual individuals who are mentally and educationally discrete from the rest of us mentally and socially inferior beings. I stand in awe of you’re total understanding of orthography and I thank you for allowing me the privilege of using this dictionary to better my understanding of our mother tongue.
            “Cumon guys” is really not a word found in the dictionary nor is it a recipe. Rather it is a vernacular expression, “the plain variety of language in everyday use by ordinary people” of which you apparently distain. I believe you may be a Snob.”one who despises those considered inferior in rank, attainment, or taste.”
            As the saying goes, Get A Life!!
          • jerry o- March 26, 2016 - 5:23 am

            this entire thread is glimmering with brilliance. highly intelligent, or highly educated, or something, people with comments if made into a movie would illustrate a perpetual cycle story puppy Fido Castro chasing it’s tale around in a whirlwind tryig to show off to it’s master to get food. “SEE what I can do…I need attention” “SEE what $100,000 university fees have done to me” Aerosmith “Rag Doll”: “SLO Gin fizzie ,,,,do it till your dizzy…. give it all you got ’till ur out of your mizery” eh? DId I spall that rite? it aint in the dictionary. I don’t mean to sound cynical, sarcastic, indifferent, cruel, what i’m trying to say is: I see the importance of vocabulary to adequately express one’s self; let’s say like a detailed owner’s manual of a new high tech, toy (which Can’t we all agree is as confusing as, for no better term, Chinese Math?). YOU & ALL (southern colloquial=youal) don’t need to subscribe to dogma, proprietorial confusion to seem to self (ego) to be special, hierarchyial (sp) king-of-the-hillish….you are already are, so much more unique in ways u most assuredly yet to understand. Is it really necessary to wear a tuxedo to a Tennis match? This epiphany made it’s appearance in a profound way into “my life?” when simply out of boredom, curiosity, & drive to convey, & incorporate “greater truths, beauty, etc” into my ARTistic endeavors. I READ “A NEW EARTH” Tolle.. For GOD’s sake, heave fun by all means, but understand your own psychology, ego, rise above to LOVE as it arrives on its own …love jerry
          • Olivia- March 27, 2016 - 4:48 pm

            You were supposed to capitalize “English”, by the way. Good job.
          • James E- March 28, 2016 - 8:21 pm

            “cumon guys” is not the vernacular wannabe that you envision, Jim. To be accurate, it is spelled “c’mon guys”. I am reluctant to express the true meaning of “cumon guys”.
          • Mark- April 8, 2016 - 10:33 am

            1) I believe that Sarah Fire got the reaction she desired.
            2) You pushed one of my buttons Jim: “I stand in awe of you’re total understanding …” You used the contraction for “you are” instead of the possessive “your”. Oddly, I usually see it the other way around. I’m just a-sayin’…
          • stacey- April 18, 2016 - 11:01 am

            ” and I encourage people to tear it apart if they have are so inclined”.
            (sic). WOW! How grammatically incorrect you are. It is impolite to criticize others and it is especially rude to do so in a condescending manner. It’s comical that a self righteous critic is such an enormous target of grammatical errors. What baffles me is your invitation to “tear” your comment apart. I find this to be more of a psychological matter.
        • Gina- March 30, 2016 - 10:25 am

          I am always open to learning something new and I learned something with the above discussion.
          It is sad that we cannot discuss a topic with interest, with “get a life”. I have life a very good and intersting life, mostly because I have an open mind. I’m elderly, and I feel new experiences and discussions keep my mind bright.
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          • g.e.- April 7, 2016 - 2:29 pm

            Whether spelled in the standard way or as “cumon” or “c’umon,” isn’t it pronounced the same way? Otherwise, isn’t it just an example of “eye dialect,” like “wimmin” instead of “women”? Such irritating misspellings by writers in quotes make speakers sound uneducated (or as using non-standard language) when everybody is pronouncing a word the same way.
        • Gina- March 30, 2016 - 10:27 am

          You said it well,
          Reply
    • Eileen- February 6, 2016 - 11:17 pm

      very clever, thank you Mohammad
      Reply
    • anjani Kher- February 11, 2016 - 9:06 am

      Very useful and creative explanation
      Reply
    • jan- February 14, 2016 - 5:16 am

      that is forever stuck in my memory, thanks Mohammed!
      Reply
    • John- February 28, 2016 - 10:56 pm

      Kudos! Amazing mnemonic!
      Reply
    • theirthere- March 2, 2016 - 5:26 am

      I cherish (and collect) mnemonics that work and Mohammad’s does work (for me). Thanks much!
      Reply
    • Lrand- March 2, 2016 - 8:21 am

      Love it–thank you!
      Reply
    • PJVitkus- March 4, 2016 - 7:06 am

      Good point, Mohammad.
      Reply
    • Ruby- April 6, 2016 - 8:54 pm

      Excellent way to remember!
      Reply
  6. Julienne- January 15, 2016 - 6:17 am

    discret means something quite different unrelated. So the sinonyms are distinct or separate. When we say about discretee, it’s a noun of disrete but it is not ualways heared. English history habitually uses in for the accounter.
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    • Optical- March 10, 2016 - 1:34 pm

      Can you repost that so we actually understand what you’re saying? The spelling is quite confusing.
      Reply
    • Daz- March 23, 2016 - 7:35 am

      Brilliant!
      Reply
  7. Roger Jones- November 24, 2015 - 4:45 pm

    “I have several discreet matters to discuss with you.
    Each must be handled in a totally discrete manner.”

    In these two sentences, the meaning is thus:
    “I have several secret matters to discuss with you; and each must be handled separately.”

    If we reverse the two homophones: “I have several discrete matters to discuss with you. Each must be handled in a totally discreet manner.”

    The meaning of each sentence is changed, but, surprisingly, the meaning of the paragraph is not.

    discreet: Secret, secretive, discretion
    discrete: separate, totally different
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    • Monica Krasniak- November 26, 2015 - 7:46 pm

      Quite astute or An astutely formed trick statement. Which is it? ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! J/J
      Reply
      • Evelynrose- December 31, 2015 - 2:10 pm

        I certainly have learned the difference between discrete and discreet. This site is very helpful and ADDICTIVE. I started out looking up one word and stayed for hours. The contributors all sound like great folks with wonderful and sometimes, wry senses oh humor,( with a few inevitable hypersensitive ones that can’t wait to find something offensive to them and then to rail about it in a “holier than thou” way. Oh well, ’tis the world we live in. I do have a question totally unrelated to grammar. As I read the posts, the dates confuse me. The conversations are flowing, and I wonder how this can be, when the dates double back. I don’t know how to explain it. Look for yourself if you give a darn. Is it magic, a hallucination,or is it obvious and I’m too stupid to get it?
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        • Bob- January 10, 2016 - 1:45 pm

          Evelynrose – It does look a little odd as you scroll through these. Let me offer a thought…

          Look at the *indentation* of each of the posts.

          The most “outdented” seem to be presented newest to oldest. (Those with the text and Reply button at the left edge of the page.)

          Those indented (the replies) seem to be presented oldest to newest. That applies to the posts at the same *level* of indentation.

          This post, for example is a reply, to your reply, which is a reply to a post. 3 or 4 levels in depending on how you count.

          I recognize this from programming/software as a tree of sorts. See “Tree_(data_structure)” in Wikipedia. Having spend much of my career looking a *data structures*, this is a familiar concept.

          At the risk of exhausting you, the most “outdented” comment might be considered *comments* on the original article posted September 4, 2014. Anything indented is a reply to a comment, or a reply.

          (We) Software Engineers are a strange lot…
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        • Fayreemary- January 13, 2016 - 12:53 am

          e.g.: I will follow Bob under Evelynrose if I reply. If I comment, I’ll lead the pack until someone new comes along. But here, Bob will always lead the pack.
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          • Confused- January 15, 2016 - 4:04 am

            I am reading this thread.. and it is very confusing. I am female. I am who I say I am. There are people playing mind games and messing with responses and my computer. I don’t really understand a lot of things and a lot of things I learn I soon forget. Memory recall is a problem of mine. I just sometimes know how to work with information given intuitively. When there is either separateness or anything left out, not all the information is there in order to make a better response to a situation. I am both smart and not so smart like my father. It’s almost like he is brilliant but with a blanket. The brilliance comes out in unexpected ways. People like this need help to piece things together. I hate politics.. I hate religion.. most organized groups. In order to be whole.. one must separate from the separate and be all. Yes.. I make random comments that dont make sense? I try to love.. but I need to be loved in order to continue loving. I am finding it very hard to get any love in return. Love comes in different forms and we need all forms. I’m tired of people telling me I only need one kind of love. sigh.. Im so tired trying to make sense of things and trying to explain things that I cant not for the life of me explain.
          • Linda bishop- February 1, 2016 - 11:02 pm

            ‘but’ is a conjunction. It can be used after a comma, ‘but’ not after a full stop. A new sentence should never begin with a conjunction. The most commonly missused conjunction is ‘and’ which again should join two parts of a sentence instead of a full stop, not as well as a full stop.
          • Linda bishop- February 1, 2016 - 11:22 pm

            ‘but’ is a conjunction. It can be used instead a comma ‘but’ not after a full stop. A new sentence should never begin with a conjunction. The most commonly missused conjunction is ‘and’ which again should join two parts of a sentence instead of a comma though never after a full stop.
        • Thomas Hanson- January 26, 2016 - 7:10 am

          Do you mean like: “Are you all whited sepulchers?”
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